Jenn's evidence is only relaying what she claims Jay told her. Colin Miller, a law professor who writes at the EvidenceProf Blog, is unsparing in his evaluation of what this does to the state's case. Something went wrong. He saw himself as a target. I had a lot more on the line than just a few bags of weed. "I guess I was being kind of a jury on whether or not people needed to be involved or whatever, but these people didn't have anything to do with it, and I knew they didn't have anything to do with. She also wasnt on the magnet side of the demographic. No. I wasnt fully cooperating, so if they said, Well, we have on phone records that you talked to Jenn. Id say, Nope, I didnt talk to Jenn. Until Jenn told me that she talked with the cops and that it was ok if I did too. He calls me and says Im outside, so I come outside to talk to himand followed him to a different car, not his. Though Wilds testimony seemed to have been trusted implicitly by Syeds jury, the Serial podcast shining a light on the key details of Wilds claims led many listeners to believe Wilds was not exactly truthful and that even the slightest bit of questioning could have unraveled his story. Im going to be late for practice, so just drop me off. How old were you when you first met Adnan Syed? So that would ruin her life too. With Jay, it was more so kinda like -- in my mind I was like, "maybe the police are putting him up to this." Jenn Pusateri I said, "what was your involvement? I got the feeling the few times of interacting with Adnan that there was this enormous pressure from somewhere trying to make him into something he didnt want to be. Courts not in session, Detective Gregory MacGillivary BPD homicide detective, Judge Heard instructions to the jury p23. Andrew Davis Defense private investigator p78 But Brown wantd to sell soon & Jay couldn't get paid till Nov. That's over, Chaudry says. Syed was put on trial in February 2000 and was convicted of the murder of his girlfriend Hae Min Lee. Unmasking the unethical business practices of the fashion brand, Is Telekinesis real? Just a giant farce that would be comical if not for the devastating consequences. Koenig tried to interview Jay. Google Pay. It all revolves around Jay. I knew him because I knew Muslims in the community from playing basketball at the mosque. When we were digging the hole, its not like Haes body was just lying next to us. Afterward, Adnan dumped Hae's car where it was later found behind some row houses and finally left in his own car, dropping Jay back home. And, lastly, she points out that an important car from the trial is now missing in his account of the day. ", He also revealed why there may be inconsistencies in his story. I saw the ATF and DEA take down guys in my neighborhood for selling much less than I was at the time. And the burden of proof for a crime like this is extraordinarily high: beyond a reasonable doubt. How many covert wars, miscarriages of justice, and dystopian technologies would remain hidden if our reporters werent on the beat? I was also running [drug] operations from my grandmothers house. Adnan took his own car, and Jay got home another way. Contact Jarett Wieselman at jarett.wieselman@buzzfeed.com. It all revolves around Jay," lawyer and Syed family friend Rabia Chaudry says in episode two of "The Case Against Adnan Syed." "Jay told the story that convicted Adnan." The other thing to understand is something about the culture of Baltimorethis is where the Stop Snitching video comes from. But that, according to what I learned later, is probably not what happened. The part where he quotes Adnan as saying "Come get me, the bitch is dead" is just so made up. He was magnet. Inside Sheins controversial culture, Does Noom really work? It wasnt just like I was selling a nickel bag here and there. And Wilds was also a professed accomplice to Syeds crime, which further complicated his role as the prosecutions sole witness. It went national, but it was produced in Baltimore. And hes like, Ive gotta put her car somewhere. So I follow him around for a few minutes, and he just picks a place at random behind some row houses, leaves her car, gets into his car, takes me home. CNN Sans & 2016 Cable News Network. He just couldnt come to grips with those feelings. The Case Against Adnan Syed episode 2: What we learn about Jay Wilds. Support our mission and help keep Vox free for all by making a financial contribution to Vox today. 2023 BuzzFeed, Inc. All rights reserved. "He might really have just been bulls******* at the time. Anything that makes Adnan innocent doesnt involve me, he said. Ill call you from someone elses phone when Im done.. In another he says it was at Patapsco State Park. Jay wouldnt have appreciated Sarahs prying into Adnans case because it would have exposed his ever-shifting narrative. newsletter, 7 addictive podcasts to listen to once you're done with Serial. Like she was a junior in college. When I ask her for her theories of what could have happened that day, she says she doesn't know, but she offers three possibilities Adnan murdering Hae doesn't even make the list. Wilds' testimony in the murder trial was central to the conviction of Syed due to the nature of his account of events. Sarah pointed to Jays inconsistencies as one of the main reasons she believed in Adnans innocence. At times he even apologizes, as though he were trained to say something specifically and had forgotten. Don't miss a beat. "That's the best way I can account for the inconsistencies. Adnan and Jay seemed to be good enough friends to one another and seemed to spend a good amount of time together. Attorneys for the State: Kevin Urick and Kathleen C Murphy, Judge:William Quarles, Associate Judge for Baltimore City Circuit Court. Haes mothers statement p7 He came back with no tools or anything. Ultimately, Wilds said he didn't feel he had anything to add to Koenig's investigation into Adnan Syed 's guilt or innocence. Now I dont wanna tell the people at Cathys that this guy Im with just killed his girlfriend and the cops just called because then they would all be a part of this fucked up thing. The first season of Serial ended this month, but the story is far from finished. Jay feels strongly that he was unfairly depicted by Koenig and that she painted a highly misleading portrayal of him and his role in the case. Photo credit: HBO. I said, Isnt he a paramedic? And she said, Nah, hes cool, plus he wants to buy., I didnt trust him at first, since he wasnt like the people I knew pot smokers you know? In the podcast Koenig pointedly challenged Jays account of events and his motivation for assisting Adnan. Adnan then threatened to expose Jay's drug dealing operation if he didn't help bury Hae. than she was letting on. on about your day, ask yourself: How likely is it that the story you just read would have been produced by a different news outlet if The Intercept hadnt done it? The other thing to understand is something about the culture of Baltimorethis is where the Stop Snitching video comes from. Who Killed Hae Min Lee if Adnan Syed Is Innocent? A Look - Newsweek If you want to look up something that was said during one of the trials, such as Hae Min Lees mothers heartbreaking comments at the sentencing hearing, or what Debbie W said (or couldnt remember) at trial, or even whether the prosecutions closing arguments did or did not depend on a certain timeline, then youve come to the right place. And it's hard to imagine, right now, how anyone could be free of doubt about Jay's testimony. Philip Buddemeyer Baltimore City surveyor p93 Ooh look, the second car disappeared! Some of what Wilds claims in the new interview also contradicts what he told police a point he addressed. It was the great failing of Serial. Were sitting there smoking and he receives a phone call from the police and gets all panicky. You cant start drawing conclusions like that. So that would ruin her life too, Wilds told Vargas-Cooper. Take a look at the run down on the forensic evidence in Hae's murder. I didnt tell the cops it was in front of my house because I didnt want to involve my grandmother. Put this together and Jay's lies begin to make a bit more sense. At Vox, we believe that everyone deserves access to information that helps them understand and shape the world they live in. I was also around a bunch of people earlier that day [at Cathys], and I didnt want them to get fucked up with homicide., Jay painted his lying as an act of altruism. Got called an Oreo. In fact he had a meeting with them for weeks. Theres nothing thats gonna change the fact that this guy drove up in front of my grandmothers house, popped the trunk, and had his dead girlfriend in the trunk. Get started for FREE Continue. I say, Well we need to part ways. I dont remember if he dropped me off at my house or if I got a ride from somebody else. I also ran the operation out of my grandmothers house and that also put my family at risk. Roll call of the panel of prospective jurors p43 Jay From 'Serial': Sarah Koenig "Demonized" Me Wieselman writes about and reports on the television industry. A large portion of The Case Against Adnan Syed and Serial focuses on why Wilds would change his story so many times. It's guilt that has to be proven. I had a lot more on the line than just a few bags of weed. That's where I'm at with this interview. Jay From 'Serial': Sarah Koenig 'Demonized Me' - Rolling Stone He wouldve gone to jail for murder!". Jay is either the killer or knows the killer. Jay Wilds assumed a private life after playing a pivotal role in the prosecutions case against Adnan Syed. Lee and Syed were seniors at Woodlawn in Baltimore County, Maryland, in January 1999, when she disappeared. pic.twitter.com/k1CioGE2la, So yeah, i'm not sleeping tonight. CrimeStoppers rewards are apparently paid out the following month after the police report that months official indictments. Jay all but admitted to @BobRuffTruth that he got the reward. I asked him where were going and he says, Didnt you say everyone gets dumped in Leakin Park?. Losing track of how many times Jay's story has changed. Then there is of the glaring lie that the state's witness Jay told the police everything they needed to know the 1st time they met. It doesnt seem like enough of a reason to not talk to the police. But nor was there good reason to disbelieve Jay. I guess I was being kind of a jury on whether or not people needed to be involved or whatever, but these people didnt have anything to do with it, and I knew they didnt have anything to do with it. 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I didnt know it was that close. He just seemed like someone who didnt smoke weed too much. Now he's given us a whole new timeline of the supposed events of that day. No one is quite sure what they are, but the timing of the taps on the recording seems suspicious. "I said before that the prosecution's case was dead. When she mentioned it to Wilds, "he quickly brushed it off: No ' [I was an] an accessory,' 'no, I did this, nothing," Horton says. After that, a public defender, Charles H Dorsey III, was appointed to represent him at the sentencing hearing on 25 June 2000. But he didnt call me unless he needed something. Jay said: "I was also running [drug] operations from my grandmother's house. Discussion re voir dire p3 Went canoeing. So the deal didn't happen #FreeAdnan. #TheJayInterview #ThankYouIntercept #FreeAdnan #PerjuryFTW, So yeah, i'm not sleeping tonight. Jay Wilds says 'Serial' host Sarah Koenig lied about him After the verdict, Gutierrez wouldnt respond to Adnan or his parents, and they asked Judge Heard for help having her dismissed from the case. Thats all it takes to support the journalism you rely on. So that would ruin her life too. Jay says: He and Adnan hung out at Cathy's. Jay Wilds, Maryland's key (and only) witness at Adnan Syed's 2000 trial for murdering Hae Min Lee which was chronicled on the hotly debated Serial podcast, which launched in October 2014 and completed its 12-episode run earlier this month has consented to a single interview (with The Intercept) in an attempt to tell his side of the story. Yes. We drive over toCathys house to smoke. He tells the jury he lied to the police. Adnan received a call from the police regarding Hae's disappearance and got "all panicky," so Jay suggested they separate. Syed is currently serving a life sentence. He claims Adnan strangled Hae, showed Jay the body and made Jay help bury Hae's body. And Jay's attorney from that time told me in an email that the prosecutor had threatened him, a black kid, with prosecuting him in Balt county, a white county & with the death penalty. He tells the police he lied to them. I thought at worst hed throw a rock through her window or something. He's now. From the statements Wilds made in 2014 with The Intercept, it seems unlikely he would do so. It was just at the end of my junior year, so about 16. It wasn't like, 'Oh, we're down in the park, come on down.' We were friendly, we were. She's trying to free a loved one from serving a life sentence for a murder she believes, firmly, that he didn't commit. They did not tell the defense that someone got an actual cash reward that was handed to them by a detective on the case. But the fact that Wilds' story shifted so much has many "Serial" fans saying he wasn't ever a credible witness. 7 acceptable_bagel 6 mo. He had this very detailed story of pulling into Best Buy; Adnan is wearing these red gloves. Jay Wilds, the key witness in Adnan Syed's trial, gave his first interview in years, and now Rabia Chaudry, the woman who introduced Sarah Koenig to Syed, claims it proves Wilds has been lying the whole time. Its not my job to figure that out. I stonewalled them that way. For our age group, she was really independent. Wilds said he gave false testimonies because he feared the police would convict him for selling marijuana. He was having a hard enough time with that itself. We may earn commission from links on this page, but we only recommend products we back. Her ex-boyfriend and classmate, Adnan Syed, was tried and convicted in 2000. In September, a legal team formed to represent Wilds and also quickly worked out a plea deal to testify against Syed. And then I would only give them information pertaining to my interaction with someone or where I was. When did he first talk to you about hurting her? ago It's possible but I think Jenn's 'evidence' is a little suspect too. Jay Wilds, testimony resumes p122, Discussion: Mr Ss indecent exposure conviction p2 Normal high school Im mad at her and Ill scratch her car sort of stuff. He's now saying, no, Adnan never told me he would do it that day, he just showed up and said Ill be contacting you later. I believe I told them it was in front of Cathys [not her real name] house, but it was in front of my grandmothers house. Once the police made it clear that my drug dealing wasnt gonna affect the outcome of what was going on, I became a little bit more transparent.. #FreeAdnan pic.twitter.com/4iCiYVHtFl, EGAD he cannot keep his lies STRAIGHT #FreeAdnan #ThanksJay! Assessing the truth behind the existence of the mind power, What happened to Kmart? I was pretty distraught, fucked up, feeling guilty for not saying nothing. I don't know Adnan, andI don't think Jay's lies prove Adnan's innocence. I didnt resent the students, I resented the school for setting it up like that. In addition to conflicting his previous accounts, Jay's new timeline leaves a lot of lingering questions: Why were Jay and Adnan driving around so desperately looking to buy weed, as Jay testified at trial, if Jay himself was supposedly a dealer with a big stash at his grandmother's house? "I don't know if she said something he couldn't handle, and he went off the edge or if he had been seriously speculating about it. Jay says: He went to the mall alone. Cathy has people over when we get there. When reached by BuzzFeed News, a representative of Serial had no comment in response to Wilds interview, in light of the fact that the full transcript has not yet been released. Adnan apparently told Jay he killed Hae in her car, which was somewhere around, but Jay was doubtful -- he thought the car was somewhere else. They didnt have to go by us, except to come to lunch, and that was it. Number of episodes: 25+ (ongoing). Losing track of how many times Jay's story has changed. However, I do have a note fromAltemate Number 4, In view of that fact that youve determined that Ms. Gutierrez is a liar, will she be removed? This is the first part in a multipart interview. Everything We Know About Jay Wilds From HBO's Serial Documentary, 9 Celebs You Didn't Know Guest Starred On Seinfeld, police may have already been looking at him as an accomplice, an adult who sold marijuana to high school kids, Your Privacy Choices: Opt Out of Sale/Targeted Ads. Her ex-boyfriend and classmate, Adnan Syed, was tried and convicted in 2000. Never really a big group of friends. Then he calls me and says, Come pick me up., So I go to pick him up, and when I get there he says, Oh shit, I did it. I say, Did what? He says, I killed Hae.. In Februaryof 2000, Syed was found guilty of murdering Lee. We have done best to reduce the size for you, but there are limits because the original quality was fairly poor. All Rights Reserved. I dont necessarily know if he meant to kill Hae before he did it or if it was a sudden moment thing, but looking at his life, from what I saw, he seemed to be far out of his realm when it came to Hae leaving him. Without Jays testimony, prosecutors have little chance of retrying Adnan. The cell records were used again and again to show the phone was in Leakin Park at 7pm. The case came down to the testimony of Jay, who claimed Adnan told him he was going to kill Hae, Adnan's former girlfriend. Evidence page for 2016 State Leave for Remand, 2013-15 Reopening Post Conviction (pre PCR), Evidence in 2015 Defense Motion to Reopen, asked Judge Heard for help having her dismissed from the case, Judge Heard was not able to be present due to a family funeral. He spoke with The Intercept's Natasha Vargas-Cooper. Wilds was also an adult who sold marijuana to high school kids, which made him vulnerable. Where is Jay Wilds now? His secretive life detailed - OkayBliss Koenig, the host of Serial, has not yet commented on Wilds interview. Or take the murder itself. Jay told the story that convicted Adnan. Preliminary matters p2 She's a high school girl,' Oh, Jay Wilds's cute, Oh, whatever' -- things fizzle out. Been saying some special Islamo-prayers for Jay to open his mouth & exonerate Adnan. This led to Quarles declaring a mistrial. Once the police made it clear that my drug dealing wasnt gonna affect the outcome of what was going on, I became a little bit more transparent. Jay's actions here may not be right. And thats not necessarily mebut that is my family, that is my uncles and cousins. He feared the police. Is this when you first saw Haes body in the trunk of her car? ), In the new interview, Wilds explained his changing accounts of what happened as attempts to spare friends and family -- namely, the grandmother he lived with -- from any involvement in the case. "The embarrassment is just going to keep growing over this," Laura Harth, the campaign director at Safeguard Defenders, told Newsweek. Apparently, Wilds had been inquiring about the sale price of a teachers motorcycle, which Kelly Blue Book puts at $3,000. )Jay testified that moment happened hours earlier at a completely different location. There are also a few incoming calls at this point, but unfortunately, the records don't show us who they came from. Jay Wilds' New Interview About 'Serial' Is So Completely Frustrating Jay is now saying at no point was he shown the body at Best Buy, that that never happened. Heres everything we know about Jay Wilds before the premiere of HBOs documentary series, The Case Against Adnan Syed. This is where it was produced. We know: At trial, Jay says they both buried Hae.Jay testifies that he both helped dig the hole in Leakin Park and helped bury the body. One such person was Jennifer Pusateri, who had a vital interaction with Syed and alleged accomplice Jay Wilds on Jan. 13, 1999, the night Lee, a high school student in Baltimore, was murdered. #FreeAdnan #Serial #LyingMoFo! And she's right. Wilds has stayed private since the 2014 interview. Interview with 'Serial' witness Jay Wilds stirs debate | CNN "He'll trade places with you in a heartbeat," he continued. Final part of the three-part interview is expected to publish Wednesday, "Serial," a popular podcast, detailed an investigation into the 15-year-old murder of Hae Min Lee, Her ex-boyfriend, Adnan Syed, was convicted, Key witness in the case against Syed was Jay Wilds, who spoke to The Intercept. I remember the highway traffic to my right, and I remember standing there on the curb. She pointed to several apparent discrepancies on Twitter. So, Jay is now saying that what he alleged at the second trial -- Adnan was with Hae's car and he showed Jay her body at Best Buy -- didn't happen. But I thank #Jay deeply for proving how deep the bullshit is. Are Glen Powell and Sydney Sweeney in love, or are they good actors? Now, he doesn't mention this at all, because he said he wasn't sure where Hae's car was at the time. The part about Cathy's apartment is pretty undisputed, though -- Jay, Cathy and Adnan all acknowledge being there that evening. Nisha Adnans romantic interest p25 He said, Im gonna drive back down there [to the grave]. Because Pusateris testimony corroborated Wilds (and also changed over time), many listeners came to believe that Pusateri also knew more (or less?) Your motion for mistrial is granted Judge Quarles, Judge:Wanda Heard, Associate Judge for Baltimore City Circuit Court. But there was a grand jury hearing on this case,andI have an idea who might have based on that hearing. In a piece for The Guardian newspaper, she argued there may be enough evidence for the state to pursue a perjury charge. Was the Intercept interview with Jay Wilds just a fluff piece? By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. Wilds also makes clear in the interview that Baltimore isnt the place where one who ran afoul with the law wanted to get hooked by the cops or work with them both options were not good. But she's also a family friend of the Syeds, and she brought the case to Koenig's attention. Take my car, take my cellphone. Is Night Court a real thing? Wilds told Vargas-Cooper that Adnan called him, said he killed Hae, and requested pick-up from Best Buy. There wasn't any physical evidence linking Adnan to the crime. He said, Youve gotta help me, or Im gonna tell the cops about you and the weed and all that shit. And then he popped the trunk and I saw Haes body. Is that why you didntinitiallycooperate with the police? She didnt look beat up. Urick did not let him walk into that interview blind. #FreeAdnan #MerryChristmas, I just can't even. When Adnan loaned you his car onJan. 13, 1999, did he tell you it was because he planned on murdering Hae? And detective notes capped Browns interview with the word REWARD, written in all caps. COMING NEXT: PART 2, Jays theory on the anonymous caller, why he agreed to testify in the states case against Adnan, and how Serial showed up at his front door. A detective testifies Jay told him he first saw Hae's body on Franklintown Road. I was also around a bunch of people earlier the day [at Cathys], and I didnt want them to get fucked up with homicide.. And it was really hard for him to deal with being on the losing end. Adnan and Stephanie were also very close witch could be another reason as to why Jay is. In one interview Jay tells police Hae was killed at the Best Buy. Syed's case has been publicized in the podcast Serial, as well as the HBO true crime documentary The Case Against Adnan Syed. But at 5:38 p.m., when Adnan is supposed to be at track practice, a call placed to Adnan's friend Krista pings a tower "sort of where" Hae's car ends up, Koenig says in Episode 5. Support our mission and help keep Vox free for all by making a financial contribution to Vox today. Just normal conversation like, I think shes fucking around. I said, Drug dealers, people who get killed by drug dealers, and Im thinking to myself, When did I ever say that? So, as Im riding with him to the park and it starts raining and Im thinking to myself as he pulls overand Im thinking this is the spot hes chosen. Which is to say, Jay always said Adnan choked Hae to death and asked Jay to help him bury the body. Rabia Chaudry, the Syed family friend and attorney who originally brought Syed's case to the attention of Serial host Sarah Koenig, today took to Twitter to point out what she sees as inconsistencies in the story Wilds is now telling compared to the account of events he offered at Syed's trial. Matt Tinoco provided research for this interview. The state lied. I dont know what happened, what occurred between them that day. Serial Three seasons, investigation The addictive 2014 podcast that started the global mania for true crime. He refused. The reports of his ill health explained, How did Jung Chae-yul die? So I said, Look man, Im not touching [Hae]. Shes a high school girl, Oh, hes cute, Oh, whateverthings fizzleout. Your culture and entertainment cheat-sheet. Then what happens, and what time is it roughly? Im being manipulated into whats being done right now.. I also ran the operation out of my grandmothers house and that also put my family at risk. He had a professional job in high school, he was aparamedic or something [Ed. There is a specific point where I became involved in this. They had to chase me around before they could corner me to talk to me, and there came a point where I was just sick of talking to them. I didnt think he was going to go kill her. He seemed a little bit more uptight than the. With this interview, Jay has now burned the corpse.". Adnan has a petition into Maryland's Court of Special Appeals. But look, if we start speculating what he was thinking that far ahead I dont know. Jay is involved. Adnan left and then returned to my house several hours later, closer to midnight in his own car. It was midnight. The fight to make it harder for landlords to evict their tenants, On Succession, Sisyphus rolls the rock uphill, Ecuadors political instability, explained. What exactly did Jay Wilds do to help Adnan Syed? Jay says: The "trunk pop" happened outside his grandmother's house.Back at his grandmother's house trying to collect himself, Jay told The Intercept he received a call from Adnan, who was either outside right then or on his way over. People had lives and were trying to get into college and stuff like that. Will we start over?' Your motion for mistrial is granted" - Judge Quarles Trial 2 January 21 to February 25 2000 Defendant: Adnan Syed He feared hurting his grandmother. I dont want to talk about this for entertainment purposes,Wilds toldThe Intercept. The following two series stepped away from the whodunnit intensity of the first, and went on to examine an American army deserter and the court system in Ohio. He just started opening up. In that situation, he was the loser. #FreeAdnan. In one police interview, Wilds said he saw the body, it was in a car in the parking lot of a Best Buy. Serial, she said, might be addicting entertainment for most people, but not for her. On Jan. 13, 1999, Hae Min Lee, an 18-year-old highschool student from Baltimore, went missing.
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