Who is considering that? Jiffy Seed Starting. This put it in a whole new positive light on the subject. I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. Crop failures and disasters have been a reality since the dawn of agriculture. And is it inaccurate to say that Monsanto does produce GMO seeds and that is their main goal? [5] The combined firm became the largest seed distribution company in the world. Ferry-Morse Basil Sweet Italian Herb Plant Seeds (1 Pack) - Seed Gardening, Full Sun. I do not consider it more honorable or more negative to be either. Any questions I've asked were rhetorical and require no response. I do not grasp the gravity of GMO seeds? %PDF-1.4 % I get notifications on this old thread. People tend to gloss over all the grey, and even white, areas as a way to paint the entire issue as something to be reviled and hated, something to be fought against. All rights reserved. The miniscule home gardening operation those operations developed is one of the principle sources that most seed companies we purchase from get their seeds from and rebrand from. Apparently, based on debate theory. 0000055257 00000 n McKenzie continues to set industry standards while being conscious and responsive to the growing concerns involved with food: cost, quality and safety. [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. Ferry Morse has been trusted by home gardeners since 1856. I am not a fan of Monsanto's practices or the other big agri-chem companies. So you claim there is no reason to avoid any seed company. A marketer and a preacher are two even handed words in my vocabulary. And what online source, would be reliable for that kind of information? Ferry-Morse relocated to Kentucky in 1959. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. If Monsanto buys the mortgage to a house you live in one day, I wouldn't hold it against you and I would still respect any of my friends, because I like my friends and I don't have to like who owns the house they sleep and breed in :-). In other words, you want GMO seeds and plants to go forward and evaluate it after the fact? You give me alternative suggestions, but Im afraid you have not solved the GMO issue with your alternative suggestions at all. Please be respectful of my time. Im worried about foods produced with GMO seeds that are not digestible and create immune reactions, and plants that do not feed insects and birds and animals. Organic 1-Gram Parsley Flat Italian Herb (Seed Packet) Model # 464433.249.908043. Find My Store. The release will only happen if it passes the regulatory hurdles and more importantly works. This kind of statement makes the conversation now about me and keeps diverting the conversation away from the topic and adds lengthy discussion back and forth about me. This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. Are Ferry Morse seeds good quality? - Daily Justnow Why are my sage seedlings true leaves dying . This is so sad. List of Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto - Houzz Similar to our situation with the food supply, dependence on the government is only a service to the government, never the governed. About Ferry-Morse. As a Floridian, I am concerned that conventional breeding of oranges will not save the Florida orange industry from Citrus Greening disease in time (or at all) and "a day without Florida orange juice for me is like a day without sunshine". Ferry-Morse 60MG Zinnia Cut & Come Again Annual Flower Seeds (1 Pack)- Seed Gardening, Full Sunlight. Not Monsanto, nor any company it owns or any company it has ever owned, will sell you GMO seeds. The 'foodandwaterwatch' link doesn't work, but it is two years old. And please note, I have used the words you seem to have, and please note how many times I use that phrase when responding to someone whose words on a page I am trying to understand. I used to read it a lot when they first became a magazine. That is pretty depressing. We have them. Looks like poor research, poor presentation. My main objection to the combination of "GMO AND Monsanto" debate as you have presented is two-fold. Maybe it was her fault for misunderstanding something or maybe it was the fault of whatever she read, but the fact is that all the vague (or downright inaccurate), sensationalist, and/or fear mongering information regarding GMO's and Monsanto that is out there is not really helping anything. Boycotting Better Boy by others, as an example, hurts me, not Monsanto. So, because I have discussed avoiding GMO seeds, I am deliberately manipulating people and bullying them and using fear as a weapon, with an argument that is illogical? But you claim that you do. Thanks your thoughts prarie. Many of our brands were founded in the mid-1800's and have been trusted by generations. Through generations of care and quality, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. You made two comments about me that I feel are not accurate. That is difficult to do when my friends are talking about, and I quote you describing a "documentary": "How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? I always support local agriculture! And that is the reason why I wanted to end this conversation. A.W. Then read your own comment. Anyone have any information about that? I saw that article in my travels but didn't have time to read it and I almost posted a link to it earlier. You can't believe anything from infowars - their site has been taken down because of all of the conspiracy theories and fake news. Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. It is a disease where I will be forced to make a decision if the GM technology is the solution that will save the $10 billion Florida Citrus industry. It is my use of the words bow and marketers in your objection and your conjecture that I am labeling you in your words: [[[You accused me of labeling you. The Company is Part of a Massachusetts based privately owned gardening company known as plantation products. Articles like that are written for people who think that every nonsense thing they read on the internet is true. They also had 50 seed in their sunflower packets. I would like a list of seed companies that Monsanto owns so I can avoid them. Disclaimer: I worked for a seed company that was being purchased by Monsanto, in a GMO-free operation. Seeds were accumulated from local farms, brought to this warehouse by horse-drawn wagons, then bagged and shipped by rail or freight to Detroit. I did the best I could in responding line by line and I hope even if we cannot agree on viewpoints, we can amicably tolerate each other's. or proves one is wrong? 0000492936 00000 n And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. And Ive further offended you, by suggesting that what I understood you to say was that you were torn about GMOs. You still dont know that they wont at some future time. False is false. Where you don't trust Monsanto Dupont, Syngenta, Bayer, BASF and Dow, etc. Is Ferry Morse Seeds owned by Monsanto? The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold . BTW, Scott's is so into bed with reciprocal marketing companies with Monsanto compared to the companies mentioned it is crazy. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously in the United States. It then gets called a documentary. The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. So, when your government does not protect you from companies like Monsanto, you are left to do the best you can to protect yourself and to do your measly part to try to protect the availability of unadulterated seed. I do own my words and own my entire prior post, and your reply re-enforces that we are very far from each others' interpretation of events around us. You surmise that. There was no Whole Foods, or organic seed, fertilizers, etc. What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? 0000510282 00000 n What is it you expect - for me to write a thesis on GMOs to include for this thread? 2. rareseeds Also known as Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds, rareseeds is a company offering some of the more rare heirloom varieties out there. In 2005 . I asked you to clarify what you meant. I have Better Boy and Early Girl tomatoes in my garden, Monsanto varieties, and others in tomatoes really like Big Beef, another one of theirs all for the home garden market. And even in our conversation, I have not found you to accurately read and understand what I've written. If you need to label me, which I feel is unfair and would not do to you, please put me in the category of "independent thinker" and "undecided" on the whole GMO mess. Ferry-Morse. I framed it in an appeal to dire consequences? Compare $ 1 99 (1) Model# 0069. I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? One of them I am confused by, and in the other one you say, I'll address first, starting with your quotes which relate to similar questions about me and my issues: " Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? Do you think the "Natural" or "Original" Species of plants ( and maybe other organisms too ) will go extinct because of the GMOs overpopulating the Whole World? You cant have one without the other at this point. Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what Ive had to say, to criticize and pick apart. In 1856, Milo T. Gardner, Dexter M. Ferry, and Eber F. Church[1] organized a small seed-growing company, M.T. I know you won't like all my replies but I don't want you to think I am ignoring anything. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. In fact, I was agreeing with you, after you had already said that. Since a winter sowing forum is a place where people use seeds, I think the topic is entirely on point. Approximately 40% of the rice harvest is lost each year to pest and disease issues as a result of the protracted flooding of paddies. You've made broad, generalizations about the people on both sides of this controversy as if you are not part of either side. Being undecided means I have issues with both sides. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. Soon many more garden seed companies bought from not only Burpee but also from Petoseed, companies as diverse as Ferry-Morse, Park's, Gurney's, Johnny's, Northrup King and Comstock-Ferre. While it may not be the case for many people here on Gardenweb, there is generally a huge disconnect between the people and their food. You call me out? A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. Because my clear meaning was to say I do not fit in those categories that others are trying to force upon me. 0000010754 00000 n I think we can both persue our understanding of GMO issues separately and perhaps, in the future we can stick to discussing which tomato tastes the best. I get Mother Earth News out of the library once in awhile. 202 S Washington St, Norton, MA 02766 Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. hbba`b``3 10 [T endstream endobj 523 0 obj <>/Metadata 26 0 R/Pages 25 0 R/StructTreeRoot 28 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 524 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 1/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 525 0 obj <> endobj 526 0 obj <> endobj 527 0 obj <> endobj 528 0 obj <>stream California now has the same disease. Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. So, because of all these conversational choices youve made, from my end, it feels more like a monologue instead of a conversation. Really, using B/Hollywood or wherever it was made a "reliable" source of information scares me about your concept of reliability. They are restricted by commercial agreement to the grower who makes it illegal for us to buy the seeds and Monsanto went along with that as a commercial decision. I'd really like to know. "Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. Again, I am worried that the consolidation will cause the loss of many varieties, and I think the original post calling for a boycott will only accelerate that since the home garden market is negligible. Seminis seeds are carried by many popular garden catalogs, including Burpee, Park Seed, Territorial Seeds, and Johnny's Selected Seeds. You pepper your posts saying *if this and that are true*, and then you expect me to clean up that mess by answering them all? I have not read it all because I am not able to delve too much into it at this point in time. There is only room for one other comment before this post becomes to long for me. The D.M. [And now you]. and aside from seeds, I don't use the kind of products they make any way. Pupilla - Im surprised, that you have taken offense at my last post. It is way too long, and was built upon a post that is riddled with misinformation, so it requires far more fact checking then I have time for right now. What is it that you feel I am bullying you into doing? We all want this, right? They are intended only to understand why farmers in India use Bt cotton. I disagree, that only when you are trying to convince someone of something, do you need to win their favor. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. 3. The movie, etc., claimes a quarter of a million people have killed themselves because of GMOs. I had already said the same thing in an earlier post, but did not use the word, misquoted and you had no problem with that. I can hear that you are torn, but I am not having that problem at all. --, if I must only bow to Anti-Monsanto preachers or Monsanto marketers.. And here is where I corrected what you said the first time. tomatoman-"Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. Hummingbird Wildflower Mix Flower Seed. Monsanto does not offer genetically modified vegetable seeds for the home garden market. After Vince's passing in 2006, Linda remained as owner with her two children occasionally helping in the business.". They shipped them the next day and I got them three days from when I ordered them. You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. 0000018840 00000 n I only insist on using good references and doing a little fact checking. Im actually against biotech entirely. Or do you actually believe that all the lawsuits [which there are many beyond what happened in India] and the complaints against Monsanto are manufactured and Monsanto and GMO seeds are above reproach? [And you did not directly quote me before disagreeing with what I said in that instance. Is that right? "Ferry Morse Seed Company, San Francisco", Central Garden & Pet Completes Acquisition of Green Garden, Digitized copies of D.M. The first time I let it slide because you said you hadn't time to read as much as you would like and were unsure about the accuracy of the sources. I will say I do read Mother Earth News and have seen some documentaries and news pieces on the subject. You have peppered your comments with plenty of complaints and labels of what I have had to say. [14][15], In 2021, Central Garden & Pet acquired Green Garden Products and its brand names Ferry-Morse, American Seed, Livingston Seed, McKenzie, NK Lawn & Garden, Jiffy, SUPERthrive, Dyna-Gro and Seeds of Change.[16]. I do not doubt that your intentions are to find accurate, truthful, and complete information but intentions and execution are two different things. I am answering everything I possibly can and just look at all the time we have BOTH spent. and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. How did we get to this point? 0000536287 00000 n ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. Nobody of the big guys is going to tell you which seeds they buy from their competitors, and by definition if you buy a variety you can research it's entire pedigree. Not relevant enough. Ferry-Morse Home Gardening - Home - Facebook [6], In 1905, Ferry sold one of their large corn fields to the Burroughs Adding Machine Company. We are not well suited to discuss controversial subjects with each other. He has lots of info on this and related subjects. I share my experiences about organic growing. Model# 9507. If anything the larger companies have less questionable variety development. I don't think that that is a very reliable list. That is the best way to find out who owns a company. 522 0 obj <> endobj xref 522 55 0000000016 00000 n . That's about it. Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, West Milford Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Ilchester Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Suffern Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers. You wrote: "Regardless of whether or not only commercial seeds are GMO, a statement by the company that sells seed to home gardeners, that they don't sell GMO seeds, helps eliminate confusion.". Again, we have much common ground about our misgivings of Big Ag, and how the 7 big aggies are gobbling everything up and the smaller companies have difficulties keeping up and having the R&D funding to compete with the new breeding technologies besides GM, and how I support the little guys with a large portion of my seed purchases. I could easily conclude that you were looking for an argument about whether people should be boycotting GMO seed companies. It is sort of intended as an "open source", freely distributed GMO introduction going on in Florida right now. Kellogg. http://planet.infowars.com/uncategorized/seed-companies-owned-by-monsanto. If GMOs concern you, then what are your concerns? Trouncing the entire field because we don't like some parts of it is effectively throwing the baby out with the bath water. I have tremendous respect for what they are trying to do. [3] Its profits continued to be stable until 1865, when Ferry bought out Gardner's share and took over the company. A movie (or someone else) comes up with some terrible conspiracy theory sort of plot. That is why there is a plethora of graphs and guides online trying to keep track of what they actually own. I'm sure that what I've had to say will not be satisfactory to you. Rather than bow, I will use the word "succumb". And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. for pricing and availability. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. It is not a solution to me. What you have said here, is that people should not be avoiding Monsanto seed companies and you actually are indicating that you think that anyone who is avoiding Monsanto seed companies is either without logic, or has been manipulated or bullied and is afraid of something that they should not be afraid of. Two posters before you objected to how riddled with false information the linked article that forms the basis of this thread is. Which makes it difficult to discuss with you. That's okay Ed. That is the scariest part to me too. I just wish the world could be as calm about it as you and I. OK, I don't know what to think about this comment other than feeling you are a bully because you say I don't listen to you but you want to force a dichotomy on me again, either answer how you want or you are not interested. Their paper catalog usually has an update each year about what is going on with varieties that they are finding that are non GMO and varieties they are dropping because of an association with GMO seeds. And where does it refer to your belief in anything I said? If you call and ask, I can imagine you could get the run around. There has been more proven environmental damage caused by planting invasives, over-use of fertilizers, and habitat destruction then GMOs. I vote with my pennies, just as you do with yours. Your one-stop source for non-GMO seeds. This is just disrespectful. Now headquartered in Norton, Massachusetts, we take pride in providing you with high quality products and the inspiration to bring your . Just thought I would put it out there for anyone interested. Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. It is a free country and they can do that. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus. California Poppy Ex Golden Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .75-Gram. [13] Plantation Products later changed its name to Green Garden Products. In India, it goes on to say, there is now a biotech seed monopoly and Bt cotton seed has become the standard and organic seed has become unobtainable. Pupilla - I just saw this response. Conventional breeding methods that have become so efficient that the little guy doesn't have the resources to keep up is what concerns me most. As should every living person on the earth. Ed, thanks for posting. Ill be back to respond to it when I can. You only have to look around at many examples of when we have done that. Rice (Oryza sp) is the main food crop of 2.5 billion people across the globe, most living in third world countries of Asia and Africa. Continually defending and explaining myself. Which if you had shared that, we might have found some common ground. I dont see why gardeners cant support small companies who are not trying to compete with high tech seed companies. If someone could only convince farmers to stop using GMO seeds. PS. Ferry-Morse has been trusted by gardeners since 1856. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. The Seed Savers Exchange (SSE) is a non-profit organization working to save heirloom garden seeds from extinction. Model# 0020. American Seed offers high quality products with a goal of remaining affordable for consumers. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. Jiffy created another industry breakthrough with the Jiffy pellet. Ferry-Morse Launches 'Ask Our Gardening Community' Live Q&A The company's headquarters were located in New Haven, Connecticut. That is an analysis of my part of the conversation and intentions and a label that youve added to describe your interpretation of it. GMOs dont seem to concern you. 0000002729 00000 n That was not the complete information I was looking for. You are free to say whatever you want and I don't complain or label what you say as a "campaign slogan" or "hollow" which is not respectful.
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